Felony Convictions: More Deer Bowhunters?

I saw the other day where a guy was making this argument:  One reason the number of bowhunters is inching up in some areas is because shady characters with felony and/or domestic violence convictions cannot buy, own or use a gun, thus if they  want to hunt deer they have to bowhunt,

I don’t know if I buy this. In fact I don’t believe I do. Surely there aren’t so many convicted bad guys amongst us buying bows and bow licenses to make a noticeable up tick in the archery the numbers…are there?

But it makes for an interesting discussion, what do you think?

Comments
i dont know a single bowhunting felon anywhere i hunt all the people that have taken up bowhunting i kno i hunting smaller acreages closer to home because they cant afford to drive up north and the word spread and more and more sign up plus deer numbers are way down in north woods where not a deer was spotted at our deer camp the whole 9 day gun season
# Posted By ian in wisconsin | 2/8/10 11:31 AM
I think the guy has seen too many "Duke's of Hazzard" reruns!
# Posted By TDHoward | 2/8/10 11:33 AM
I know of 3 bowhunters that are convicted felons and bowhunt only because that is all they can legally carry. I don't agree with them even being able to do that. I believe if you are a convicted felon you should lose the right to carry any weapon and I don't see how they can carry a bow legally when the same laws apply for carrying a bow that applies to a fiearm. Is it a growing problem? From what I have seen and believe it is.
# Posted By pappa necbone | 2/8/10 12:07 PM
thanks pappa, that is where the conversation should go...and is in fact a discussed issus in WI and some other states
# Posted By hanback | 2/8/10 12:37 PM
I have a friend who's wife went a little off the deep-end and filed a protection order against him. Because of this he was unable to carry a firearm and thus had to hunt the entire deer season with a bow. This has all blown over now and he is able to carry a firearm, the whole situation was rediculous and if his wife had pursued this he would still be hunting only with a bow. As for convicted fellons i do not know of any who hunt but believe that once convicted, these individuals should not have access to any type of weapon.
# Posted By NLane | 2/8/10 1:00 PM
I haven't heard of any convicted felons picking up bowhunting b/c they couldn't buy a gun, but this is a very interesting topic and it maeds sense. I'm sure that there are some felons that love to hunt and archery is a way for them to do it. I'm just not sure if it would be enough to show a big increase in the amount of archery hunters as a whole. In my opinion, the increase is probably caused by the flood of advertising by archery companies along with the fact that archery seasons are much longer than gun seasons.
# Posted By Matt Elder | 2/8/10 1:44 PM
i do know some....... and the ones that i know that have felonies and bow hunt seem to be good guys now........made mistakes back when
they were young and dumb, i don't see them being the ones that give bow hunters a bad name though
# Posted By Flatlander | 2/8/10 2:00 PM
I hunted with a man in WA one season and later found out he was a convicted felon. He did not have the right to gun hunt but did. I guess he had thought he could after ten years had passed. It supprised me that he was able to buy a licence to gun hunt. Do you guys think that all felony convictions are equil and those convicted should not be allowed to own or use guns? Smashing a mailbox when your 18 does not seem as bad as domestic violence. Anyway just wondering what you thought.
# Posted By Lance | 2/8/10 2:17 PM
There are steps one can take to regain the ability to own and posess firearms if you are a felon. But the law is pretty clear- if a felon, you pretty much abandon many of the legal rights afforded most citizens- the right to vote is one of them. I believe that it is illegal to own, posess, attempt to posess, go in a gun shop, or anywhere that firearms are sold or displayed for sale. You should go directly to jail and not pass GO. If judges followed the law, we'd have many bad guys off the street. Sorry for the soap box, but with the folks in office, we can not afford to have our rights taken away due to a bunch of scum bags and reporters who have absolutely no knowlege of firearms or gun laws writing or reporting. I think felons should not be allowed to carry or hunt with a bow as well. Sorry for the wind.....
# Posted By Mack | 2/8/10 2:43 PM
I think the number of domestic protection orders taken out today and felony records may indeed have some effect on the number
of bowhunters today vs years past....but I think the largest factor(s) for more bowhunters is simply leasing and sprawl.

Smaller parcels is all many people have to hunt anymore and guns aren't allowed on a lot of those.
# Posted By jstreet | 2/8/10 3:00 PM
Over the years I have been a public servant I have worked with the police and court frequently and from what I have seen alot of, and I mean alot of felony charges are dropped and pleaed down to a misdermeaner so when a person is convicted of a felony charge it's not just from being a kid whom has made a dumb decision and played a little mail box baseball. If he is caught once, there's a better than good chance he will get off, if he does it again, well it's hammer time. In my book that's someone who does not care about the things I do and I don't want to spend time in the woods with him. All I know is we live our lives with the decisions we have made. Sorry about the lecture guys.
# Posted By pappa necbone | 2/8/10 3:36 PM
Mack, Pappa N, don't be sorry for believing in something and standing up for it. You guys are right I agree with you, I don't go hunting with idiots, hence the reason I only went once with that guy I found out was a felon. I asked my question just thinking about the law not the plea bargoning.
# Posted By Lance | 2/8/10 5:24 PM
If a guy writes a bad check, does that mean he can't kill a deer? I think that is B.S.! If a guy is a violent criminal, then I have no problem with the gun law. However, if a guy is an DUI habitual offender, I don't feel that should preclude him from hunting. I no a couple of felons that are dumbasses, but not violent. I think the punishment should fit the crime. Non-violent criminals should take drug tests & do community service, ie picking up trash and road kill. Same goes for welfare recepients.
# Posted By Curt | 2/8/10 5:46 PM
i dont know any felons taking up bowhunting but the truth of the matter is its a way for someone who may have took the wrong path somethime in there life and may have paid for there mistakebut also want to hunt.I dont see a huge fluctuation of convict bowhunters in southeastern Pennsylvania.Some of these people may deserve a second chance some dont.
# Posted By DaveZ. | 2/8/10 8:52 PM
curt i agree completly with ur last two sentences amen brother
# Posted By ian in wisconsin | 2/8/10 9:24 PM
We are a nation of laws and if you make a choice to break the law you need to pay the price. The object is not to break the law and then you can be a happy,semi free,citizen of the divided states of america.
# Posted By john mueller | 2/8/10 9:39 PM
Bowhunting takes money, time, lots of practice, and patience. Dedication, attention to detail, and the self control to watch more than you shoot. These don't seem to be qualities I would attribute to a convicted felon. I personally don't know any felons that bowhunt, but then I don't hang out with felons. I would be willing to bet that there are more felons illegally hunting with guns than there are legally bowhunting.
# Posted By David in NC | 2/8/10 10:58 PM
I worked in retail for several years at a nationwide sporting goods store. There were several occasions that I had to turn people away from a gun purchase because of a felony records. I also remember several of these people returning later, not to buy the rifle or 12 gauge they were eyeing, but instead to purchase a muzzleloader.

It doesn't suprise me that there are felons hunting with bows because they have no other legal means to hunt.

Is the number statistically relevant? I doubt it. I'm sure some math snob could come up with something...but that isn't me.

I would wager that the percentage of felons who purchased a bow hunting license last year is within 2-5% of the percentage of felons in any cross section of the population at large, well within any margin of error for statistical anomoly.

It's a non-story, story. That's my $.02.
# Posted By Trent M. | 2/9/10 12:13 AM
I think a lot of other variables are causing the increases in bowhunting: urbanization, demographics, increases in archery seasons, crossbows, etc. I'm not sure that convicted felons are becoming a large part of the archery revolution. I don't mean to go on a rant, but I have to comment on one of the above comments. I understand the "made a mistake a long time ago" argument, and have an uncle who had a PFA filed against him years ago (he was eventually cleared), but when we start talking about who should and should not be carrying a gun in the woods, I completely disagree with the comments about habitual DUI offenders. Hunting is a passtime that REQUIRES responsibility. A person who REPEATEDLY gets behind the wheel after drinking too much has not shown the necessary level of responsibility needed to carry a firearm anywhere. At what point does that same person go out for a walk in the woods one afternoon after having a few? I wouldn't want to be sharing the same patch of woods as that guy. I know that last bit is a little off topic from the original question-and I am by no means anti-drinking, but all hunters get a bad rap when one person makes a poor decision. Alcohol and guns, like cars, don't mix, and I don't trust the guy who couldn't figure out the cars part to be running around in the woods with a gun.
# Posted By Chad S | 2/9/10 1:44 AM
if the shoe could only be on the other foot. i do not think you should take the gun rights from a non violent offender. people make mistakes, lord knows i have, some people just get caught.
# Posted By dirty | 2/9/10 12:11 PM
I sorta agree with some of you, but let me ask a question. As I child I loved to hunt and as an adult, that desire is gone. But this is only due to the fact that I can't own a gun. Why? I am a felon. When I was 18 I committed a crime while drunk. I walked into a party where I was not invited. Stupid I know, but I did not hire an attorney nor fight it in court. I was in the wrong and I took my punishment.
Am I a violent person? NO Have I broken any law since being 20? NO.
I am now 36. My wife (of eight years) and I had our fist child a year ago. My whole family is being punished for my wrong action over 15 years ago. We recently moved and cant rent because of my felony. I can never own a gun.
But yet I own my own company (Got worn down by the turn downs because of my felony) I pay my taxes and I abide by the law.
Is this really fair for all?
# Posted By Joe Fellon | 2/9/10 7:24 PM
Joe good post u have me thinking
# Posted By hanback | 2/9/10 7:30 PM
Thanks Hanback for the second thought.
I have put it all behind me, but when you get denied for a rental unit and you wife tilts her head down and you see that sadness in her expressions, it hurts.
we can buy a house with out a problem, but being new to the area we want to buy in the right location, thus the need to rent.

As far as hunting, I live behind the stories of friends and you all on line :)
# Posted By Joe Fellon | 2/9/10 7:54 PM
Joe,
That's exactly what I was saying. I guess it's just like prejudice. If you are subjected to certain situations, you realize how dumb your prejudices are. That doesn't make it easy to understand until you are put in that situation. I know felons that would never hurt anyone. I would never hesitate to go hunting with them. I also know people with clean records with whom I will never step foot in the woods. I'd be willing to bet if one of these guys child or parent were a felon, the feelings would be different.
# Posted By Curt | 2/10/10 12:03 AM
Joe, As I said, I believe there are legal ways to regain your rights, but there may be high lawyer costs to get it done. My post before was not my thoughts, just saying what I believe the law states about what one can do and not after a conviction.. You should have legal recourse to regain at least some of those rights.
# Posted By Mack | 2/10/10 2:37 PM
thats bs mack, you said that fellons should not even be able to possess a bow. get a grip
# Posted By dirty | 2/10/10 5:00 PM
There are a lot of non violent felonys, and felonys which if you committe them you get a year, but if the President of the United States does it, only a small fine. Af for the Launtenburg Amendment, (Domestic violence) just think of the source? A lot of people should be given their rights back!
# Posted By Jay | 2/11/10 1:36 PM
additionally, as Trent said: felons can hunt with muzzleloaders...maybe an option for Joe.
and plus, more to think about than the archery idea
# Posted By joshd | 2/11/10 4:07 PM